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Mormonism LIVE: 051: Denver Snuffer

Wednesday Nov. 24th, RFM and Bill sat down with Denver Snuffer and discuss his life and the happenings around the Christian fellowships of “the Remnants” movement. Denver Snuffer is an author of Restorationist devotional books, a lecturer, a speculative theologian, and a revelator to fellowships of the remnants movement, a spiritual movement in schism with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). The movement has a few thousand adherents, many of them members or former members of the LDS Church. He was excommunicated by the LDS Church in 2013 for refusing to cease publication of his 2011 book, Passing the Heavenly Gift which challenges many points of LDS orthodoxy. He subsequently has been identified as a prophet by many, and several of his teachings have been canonized as scripture.



8 thoughts on “Mormonism LIVE: 051: Denver Snuffer”

  1. The new and everlasting Covenant of marriage is at lease a four generational patriarchal order and has all the ten laws from the temple and all the testimonies of the messiah. And, has His Name on your head. Also the blessing from the book of Numbers… and the second anointing which is to declare righteousness upon the heads of those receiving the second anointing. The second anointing has not been giving correctly at all.after Joseph smiths time the first portion was changed to give power to the prophets rather than for us to be endowed from on high. It is Meant to be received by faithful couples to bring forth seed to God : if we are unwilling to accept the first portion correctly we are forbidden to receive the second anointing ! The first portion has the shedding of the blood of Christ witnessed in it. Sorry , I haven’t maid it to very plain… you might think where did he get or find the second anointing?? If you are curious I might tell you or maybe not !??!? 9097681982.ralph please call the number , not email.

  2. Brian:
    I’m not the Messiah!

    I say you are, Lord, and I should know, I’ve followed a few!

    Hail, Messiah!

    I’m not the Messiah! Will you please listen?! I’m not the Messiah, do you understand?! Honestly!

    Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!

    What?! Well, what sort of chance does that give me?! All right, I am the Messiah!

    He is! He is the Messiah!

    Now, f*** off!


    How shall we f*** off, oh Lord?

  3. Finally, Mormon podcastdom secures the interview with the shiny, sparkly new restorationist personality, rural god-botherer and Jesus chum to find out what? A watered down limp fish message of seek and ye shall find? And thanks Bill, for trying to hold at least a foot to the fire amidst language like “steers, bachelors, problems, trauma” in reference to our gay/trans/queer brothers and sisters. All this fawning over the Joel Osteen of Mormon reformation to learn what, that homosexuals may, might, kinda, sorta be people too? Glad I listened, but right now feel like I need to spit.

  4. Yee, I felt like I was enjoying the discussion, (if solely to get into the kind of Denver a but more), but his responses/non responses to the gay question was disappointing. I struggled to continue listening after it was clear he wasn’t grasping what RFM and Bill were trying to rectify by way of his problematic language. Hopefully he can learn from this and do better.

  5. Brian’s brother bill

    Please do an in-depth podcast on section 124 of the d+ c review each person mentioned in its pages and then tell me who still believes that is the lord omnipotent speaking. Joe’s extraordinary imagination has got the best of many of us . Thanks !!

  6. Let me first place my intellectual flag by stating that I am an atheist and apply Carl Sagan’s dictum about “extraordinary claims”. That stated, I must say that in addition to John Dehlin, you two have been my hard working, go to commentators and investigators for all things Mormon. I have just finished the two hour interview with Denver Snuffer and consider it to be the most frustratingly weak, conciliatory lost opportunities that you have pulled off; and this from two guys who have espoused trustworthy, hard hitting truth seeking. The closest either of you came to anything resembling serious critique was when Bill pardoned himself from asking about Snuffer’s unsubstantiated vision claims, all the while RFM stumbled over his “excuse me” and “ pardon me” for interrupting. Snuffer was allowed for two hours, a contradictory, authoritarian, quasi intellectual filibuster in trying to steer clear and obfuscate from the hard stuff. Imagine a person living today, who claims to have seen (not in a vision or a dream) and visited with the creator of the universe, and nary a question, a challenge or a“you don’t say” was stated. As a simple man, I could have come up with such pedestrian questions as, “oh, and what was he wearing, and who really shot JFK”. Of course The Venerable Man, Lord and Master of the Universe would have seen through my sarcasm and we could get straight to the really tough questions. Instead you guys doubled up on Snuffer by asking about the status of gay people in his expansive world view. His answer, “they should know their place, and leave me alone”. Snuffer took ample time in regaling us with his humble knowledge about the necessary mysteries of the divine and that if we wanted to be a humble servant like him, ( and see Jesus, like him) we could get our own personal revelation by reading his vast catalogue of books and sermons. After all, he had a room full of High Priests and Stake presidency brought to tears with his white board sermonizing (watch a video of Keith Raniere and just substitute Kieth’s name with Denver’s). He reminds me of Tony Robbins, the “I’m not your Guru” guru, who standing on the flashing neon stage to the thumping music and loud cheers of his paying, devoted followers, tells them that he is just a regular guy, who has tapped into the hidden spirit of success (secular gnosis) and that said followers can be just like him if they but keep showing up to his pep rallies and buying his self help books. I don’t know what it took to get Snuffer on your program, or if you agreed beforehand not to broach certain taboo topics like, “come on, did you really see Jesus?” As if the pain in my head wasn’t enough and I thought that there would surely be audience questions that would cut through the smoke screen, it seemed as if any difficult questions were censored out. If and when anyone makes such a fantastic and improbable claim, yet refuses any serious critique or inquiries, my bullshit radar goes on high alert. I think Denver Snuffer is an intelligent, persuasive, sincere, deluded, charlatan – who until he can sit down with a Sam Harris equivalent, will remain so to me. But you two dropped the ball.

    There now, I got that off my chest and look forward to your next podcast. And by the way, I still think you guys are great.

  7. A few take-aways on the podcast:

    1-I don’t like leadership, but by the way, you can join me for my direction on my website “”
    2- Denver about the gays: “Everyone has their problems.” That isn’t a great answer these days.
    3- Denver has all these “smarts,” but can’t figure out that Joe made it all up.
    4-They all got it wrong, so I re-wrote the book and my version is what was meant to be said.
    5- I’m not a leader, I’m just the one who wrote 25 books. Go buy them.
    Last- If your reality doesn’t make sense any more, try mine -Denver

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